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	<title>Comments on: Should Ewell have taken &#8220;That Hill&#8221;?</title>
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		<title>By: Mike Gronski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Gronski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you read Pfanz, it was not only 7th IN (I corps) but by late afternoon, 12th Corps was coming up Rock Creek up Benners Hill, which would put Johnson between artillery from Cemetery and Culps Hill and 12th Corps. 
With regard to scouting, Ewell was worried from reports of Union 5th coming at his left flank.
All this happened well before dark, before Johnson had even reached the field.
Ewell&#039;s only opportunity to attack Culp&#039;s Hill came earlier with Early&#039;s div, but the worry of Union coming at his flank discouraged him without support from Johnson which was not available until dark. (without daylight savings, it would be dark earlier than 9PM- orders were not able to be read at 7:30 PM.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you read Pfanz, it was not only 7th IN (I corps) but by late afternoon, 12th Corps was coming up Rock Creek up Benners Hill, which would put Johnson between artillery from Cemetery and Culps Hill and 12th Corps.<br />
With regard to scouting, Ewell was worried from reports of Union 5th coming at his left flank.<br />
All this happened well before dark, before Johnson had even reached the field.<br />
Ewell&#8217;s only opportunity to attack Culp&#8217;s Hill came earlier with Early&#8217;s div, but the worry of Union coming at his flank discouraged him without support from Johnson which was not available until dark. (without daylight savings, it would be dark earlier than 9PM- orders were not able to be read at 7:30 PM.)</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 05:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johnson&#039;s division had marched 23 miles that day, if I&#039;m not mistaken. That&#039;s a long march on any day, moreso on a hot summer&#039;s day.

If you check the description in Pfanz, it describes Johnson&#039;s division as arriving close to sundown and then deploying after sundown and by the light of the moon. I believe Martin also matches this description, though I don&#039;t have that volume at hand.

As it was, Johnson&#039;s division would have been attacking in isolation: no help was forthcoming from Longstreet or Hill&#039;s troops, Rhodes wasn&#039;t willing, and Early seemed unenthused, as well as having two brigades diverted elsewhere. 

So what happens if Johnson attacks and it&#039;s a disaster?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johnson&#8217;s division had marched 23 miles that day, if I&#8217;m not mistaken. That&#8217;s a long march on any day, moreso on a hot summer&#8217;s day.</p>
<p>If you check the description in Pfanz, it describes Johnson&#8217;s division as arriving close to sundown and then deploying after sundown and by the light of the moon. I believe Martin also matches this description, though I don&#8217;t have that volume at hand.</p>
<p>As it was, Johnson&#8217;s division would have been attacking in isolation: no help was forthcoming from Longstreet or Hill&#8217;s troops, Rhodes wasn&#8217;t willing, and Early seemed unenthused, as well as having two brigades diverted elsewhere. </p>
<p>So what happens if Johnson attacks and it&#8217;s a disaster?</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have actually read quite extensively on the subject and have reached a different conclusion then you.  Not to say that I am right, or you are right, we have just reached different conclusions.  

Johnson&#039;s Division was not engaged in combat that day, and my point is that they were not exhausted, certainly not like Rodes or Early&#039;s men were from marching AND fighting.  As far is &quot;in the dark&quot;, it stays light until almost 9:00pm in July in that part of Gettysburg, and believe it or not, its very light by 5:30am. 

I read Pfanz several years ago, but have not read Gallagher.  I have reviewed the OR&#039;s for the 1st days battle (nothing like a primary source), and also read David Martin&#039;s &quot;Gettysburg July 1&quot; which is very detailed even down to the regimental level.  Hope that helps!  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have actually read quite extensively on the subject and have reached a different conclusion then you.  Not to say that I am right, or you are right, we have just reached different conclusions.  </p>
<p>Johnson&#8217;s Division was not engaged in combat that day, and my point is that they were not exhausted, certainly not like Rodes or Early&#8217;s men were from marching AND fighting.  As far is &#8220;in the dark&#8221;, it stays light until almost 9:00pm in July in that part of Gettysburg, and believe it or not, its very light by 5:30am. </p>
<p>I read Pfanz several years ago, but have not read Gallagher.  I have reviewed the OR&#8217;s for the 1st days battle (nothing like a primary source), and also read David Martin&#8217;s &#8220;Gettysburg July 1&#8243; which is very detailed even down to the regimental level.  Hope that helps!  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 04:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ewell made the right decision. 

Any attack on Culp&#039;s Hill would have been made in the dark by exhausted troops in the face of opposition - a recipe for disaster.  And it most likely would have been one. Then what do you do? 

Tell me, what have you read on the subject? Have you read Pfanz&#039;s &lt;i&gt;First Day&lt;/i&gt; or Gallagher&#039;s essay &quot;Confederate Corps Leadership on the First Day at Gettysburg&quot; in &lt;i&gt;Three Days at Gettysburg&lt;/i&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ewell made the right decision. </p>
<p>Any attack on Culp&#8217;s Hill would have been made in the dark by exhausted troops in the face of opposition &#8211; a recipe for disaster.  And it most likely would have been one. Then what do you do? </p>
<p>Tell me, what have you read on the subject? Have you read Pfanz&#8217;s <i>First Day</i> or Gallagher&#8217;s essay &#8220;Confederate Corps Leadership on the First Day at Gettysburg&#8221; in <i>Three Days at Gettysburg</i>?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting conjecture which I largely agree with, but a couple of caveats:

-- IIRC, Ewell had received conflicting reports of Union troops coming from the east, not just the south.  Had he lined up his forces to assault the hill, there existed a danger that he&#039;d be flanked in mid-assault by newly arriving Union troops.  Again, yet another reason why you don&#039;t let your cavalry leave you while in enemy territory ;-).

-- Don&#039;t forget how Ewell got his job.  Just two months previously the Confederacy had lost its best corps commander in the confusion of a night attack.   After the first day&#039;s success at Gettysburg, not only were Confederate forces elated by their success (they smashed two Union corps), they were probably reluctant to press the issue.  &quot;Enough fighting for one day, if those boys in blue are stupid enough to stick around until the morning, we&#039;ll just kick their behinds tomorrow. &quot;

Far better to settle down for the evening and avoid a potentially bloody mess of an attack over broken terrain up a hill in the dark with no idea of what Union forces may be in the area.

In hindsight-- and certainly to wise observers like Trimble-- this seems like an inexcusable offense.  At the time, however, I can see Ewell making that judgment call.

-- Finally, Ewell himself.  Many observers agree that the effective division commander had given way to a much more cautious and reluctant corps commander.  Reasons are myriad, but most fixate on Ewell&#039;s injury at Second Manassas (losing a leg) and getting married soon before the Gettysburg campaign.  Bottom line, he wasn&#039;t the same aggressive commander that he was in the past.  Combine that with the newfound stress of higher command, and I can understand his timidity-- *especially* in the absence of clear orders from Lee (who can be faulted for leaving that much discretion to his corps commanders on the first day of Gettsyburg; let&#039;s be honest, Hill and Ewell were not the trusted subordinates that Jackson was, and Lee should be blamed for not paying closer attention to them that day (Hill got them into the fight he probably should not have fought, and Ewell didn&#039;t push hard enough when confronted with commanding terrain).

Anyway, Ewell was wrong not to take Culp&#039;s Hill.  But it was an honest mistake, and far more understandable than the mistakes of the 2nd day, and the utter catastrophe of the 3rd day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting conjecture which I largely agree with, but a couple of caveats:</p>
<p>&#8211; IIRC, Ewell had received conflicting reports of Union troops coming from the east, not just the south.  Had he lined up his forces to assault the hill, there existed a danger that he&#8217;d be flanked in mid-assault by newly arriving Union troops.  Again, yet another reason why you don&#8217;t let your cavalry leave you while in enemy territory <img src='http://www.brettschulte.net/CWBlog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>&#8211; Don&#8217;t forget how Ewell got his job.  Just two months previously the Confederacy had lost its best corps commander in the confusion of a night attack.   After the first day&#8217;s success at Gettysburg, not only were Confederate forces elated by their success (they smashed two Union corps), they were probably reluctant to press the issue.  &#8220;Enough fighting for one day, if those boys in blue are stupid enough to stick around until the morning, we&#8217;ll just kick their behinds tomorrow. &#8221;</p>
<p>Far better to settle down for the evening and avoid a potentially bloody mess of an attack over broken terrain up a hill in the dark with no idea of what Union forces may be in the area.</p>
<p>In hindsight&#8211; and certainly to wise observers like Trimble&#8211; this seems like an inexcusable offense.  At the time, however, I can see Ewell making that judgment call.</p>
<p>&#8211; Finally, Ewell himself.  Many observers agree that the effective division commander had given way to a much more cautious and reluctant corps commander.  Reasons are myriad, but most fixate on Ewell&#8217;s injury at Second Manassas (losing a leg) and getting married soon before the Gettysburg campaign.  Bottom line, he wasn&#8217;t the same aggressive commander that he was in the past.  Combine that with the newfound stress of higher command, and I can understand his timidity&#8211; *especially* in the absence of clear orders from Lee (who can be faulted for leaving that much discretion to his corps commanders on the first day of Gettsyburg; let&#8217;s be honest, Hill and Ewell were not the trusted subordinates that Jackson was, and Lee should be blamed for not paying closer attention to them that day (Hill got them into the fight he probably should not have fought, and Ewell didn&#8217;t push hard enough when confronted with commanding terrain).</p>
<p>Anyway, Ewell was wrong not to take Culp&#8217;s Hill.  But it was an honest mistake, and far more understandable than the mistakes of the 2nd day, and the utter catastrophe of the 3rd day.</p>
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